tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post438841381728102108..comments2024-03-24T00:19:48.310-07:00Comments on Delta Vector: Magic the Gathering - Market Economy in CCGsevilleMonkeighhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-59640938916442250842015-09-11T22:53:20.911-07:002015-09-11T22:53:20.911-07:00>Also, it's a myth that good cards win a Ma...>Also, it's a myth that good cards win a Magic game. A good player will win a Magic game.<br /><br />A player who possesses both good cards and good skill will generally beat a player who possesses only one of those, regardless of which one that is. Also, the two are independent qualities -- having lots of one doesn't somehow limit how much of the other you can have. The whole "which is more important, cards or skill?" debate is almost always pointless.Jeff Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02505316906423031421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-6072327682231095762015-08-28T14:51:43.549-07:002015-08-28T14:51:43.549-07:00I find it interesting. I'd say it dominates if...I find it interesting. I'd say it dominates if placed in a CCG-tabletop-boardgame context. Ironically enough I find it a bit confrontingly geeky and lack of models to swoop around the table going "pew pew" makes it a bit meh. That said, it certainly has a deep culture. I suspect there is a considerable level of metagaming to it as well.evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-3433134683804844282015-08-28T10:56:58.281-07:002015-08-28T10:56:58.281-07:00The parallels drawn in the podcast are not accurat...The parallels drawn in the podcast are not accurate. In fact, much of the information in the post is oversimplified or wrong.<br /><br />The crux of the problem is that people immediately started playing magic with no ante so there was no chance of ever losing your good cards and with no risk there was no fear in stacking your deck with the good stuff. Also, it's a myth that good cards win a Magic game. A good player will win a Magic game.<br /><br />In the early days the fast mana of the lotus and Moxes caused a bit of a stir but they were soon ignored, even before they were 'outlawed' by Wizards. The cards were still sought after because they were rare and the Black Lotus was the poster child of them all.<br /><br />Combinations of cards used intelligently win magic games, there are no game winner single cards and never have been.<br /><br />As for the value. rare cards were sought by collectors because they were rare and some rare cards were also good to use so they were sought by players too. Truth to tell, nearly all Magic players back then were collectors too, that's why it was such a hit, it scratched two itches. <br /><br />Since Magic cards have a finite run, especially the early ones, the rares get rarer over time and the price goes up for collectors. People pay thousands for comic books too. Looking askance at what people choose to value is pointless, especially if, like me, you spend too much a year on toy soldiers. Take a look at old Citadel prices paid by collectors some time.<br /><br />Wizards created the prices by making the cards rare and then holding tournaments you could win money at, eventually big money but by then it was new cards only of course.<br /><br />Typing in a small box has made this a bit rambling, sorry. And nothing is explained in detail (also sorry) because of space. I was there selling Magic in the beginning. I was selling individual cards in my shop before most people and also running tournaments. the early tournaments were dominated by cheats and liars who hid behind 'gamesmanship' to excuse their behaviour because, even then, quite a bit of money was at stake. The majority of players were honest of course, but they didn't win many tournaments.<br /><br />Matakishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10076452628641077312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-11081500488977511392015-08-28T10:27:18.205-07:002015-08-28T10:27:18.205-07:00Yeah, WOTC are clever clever bastards.
Their cyc...Yeah, WOTC are clever clever bastards. <br /><br />Their cycle also incidentally helps solve balance issues: They can print a card that will dominate the game completely, because in the tournament scene, it'll cycle out in a year or two. Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05873440251698488032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-51504251480776443422015-08-28T08:33:15.706-07:002015-08-28T08:33:15.706-07:00I've never been into CCGs so I found this inte...I've never been into CCGs so I found this interestingPaul O'Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611720164170399684noreply@blogger.com