tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post1781463193435676002..comments2024-03-24T00:19:48.310-07:00Comments on Delta Vector: Gruntz 15mm Sci Fi Wargames Rules ReviewevilleMonkeighhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-33714157452102318972018-02-07T00:01:14.734-08:002018-02-07T00:01:14.734-08:00"And to be fair - the writer really should..."And to be fair - the writer really should've thanked Privateer for the use of their game system. I know that systems can't be copyrighted, but none the less it'd be polite to thank them. After all, they did all the work, he just changed an few bits."<br /><br />--Can't disagree with this. <br /><br />--Perhaps it isn't flexible compared to your favourite system. But it is (well was - I haven't played my 15mm sci fi for ages) enough to let you grab your favourite 15mm models and make an army. evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-33262178969011377672018-02-06T11:24:08.920-08:002018-02-06T11:24:08.920-08:00Why does my copy of Gruntz says there are blank un...Why does my copy of Gruntz says there are blank unit record sheets inside when there are none. I bought the rulebook for $25 then had to shell out more $'s to get the unit builder JUST to get usable blank unit forms - if I'd known that I'd have to do this I'd probably bought another system that didn't trick me into spending more of my hard earned $.<br />And compared to Strike Legion: Platoon Commander, why the lack of example units? If some had been included (as in almost all other similar games) you at least could play your new game straight out of the Amazon packaging.<br />I wish I had spent my money else where.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-66118519326012869912018-02-05T13:00:33.447-08:002018-02-05T13:00:33.447-08:00Hi again,
The 2d6 system is an issue, but so is th...Hi again,<br />The 2d6 system is an issue, but so is the claim of 'flexibility'. Whilst I agree that it IS flexible in some ways, Gruntz (what is it with this 'Z' thing anyway - Gruntz, Perkz, Modz) - the flexibility is actually quite rigid in that you can only create units the way the designer thinks you should.<br />What happens if your alien race uses a trinary command structure?<br />What happens if your alien squad has more than 10 troops in it?<br />Why can't you design a vehicle family - APC, AA vehicle, rocket artillery, anti-tank, all on a standard chassis (like many modern militaries do) - use Gruntz and the APC comes in as a GSV but the anti-tank vehicle has to be a tank (different stats to the GSV) the rocket artillery is yet another type of vehicles (with different stats again) - so much for multiple functions on an 'identical' chassis. Whilst many will find this just a minor niggle the inability to recreate my forces the way I originally designed them (for USE ME 15mm) meant that, with my other (more system) issues got fed up with the faffing and went back to a truly flexible system.<br />And to be fair - the writer really should've thanked Privateer for the use of their game system. I know that systems can't be copyrighted, but none the less it'd be polite to thank them. After all, they did all the work, he just changed an few bits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-13840976478111827332018-01-24T12:56:57.691-08:002018-01-24T12:56:57.691-08:00I don't think TW offers much over Stargrunt, t...I don't think TW offers much over Stargrunt, though I've not played the latter. I live in Australia, and once ordered minis on Thursday arvo and got them on Monday - that's 4 days from the UK to my door; can echo the good service bit!<br /><br />Gruntz is a sensible consistent set of rules, but pretty much a direct copy of Warmachine in every way, both in resolution of dice, and treating vehicles as "warlocks" - which are sort of the war machine robot monsters and are expected to die slowly (i.e. like multiwound models in 40K). <br /><br />I'm not sold on the 2d6 as the distribution curve makes modifiers inconsistent. As you say, throwing lots of 2d6 sets is a pain in the butt. (At least it didn't use 10+ man squads) A switch to d10 at the least would make sense. <br /><br />Perhaps it should have deviated more from the source material.evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-9609863259471138712018-01-24T11:49:11.304-08:002018-01-24T11:49:11.304-08:00Gruntz is a nice set of rules for sure - until the...Gruntz is a nice set of rules for sure - until the game size exceeds the number of different coloured sets of d6 dice you have. Rolling 2d6 to-hit per figure firing, THEN rolling 2d6 to wound/damage hit targets in a large game requires quite a few pairs of dice and lots of dice rolls. Then on to your next squad ...<br />For me, the vehicle rules are what let it down - I'm quite an avid armoured vehicle fan (WW2 and so on) and I've read a fair amount on the subject and I found the idea of the damage track somewhat annoying - either the armour is penetrated or its not. If it is, odds are Kill, perhaps Mobility or Weapon kill. If not then there's a smaller chance of M or W kill. But accumulated battering type damage? These are 50 ton tanks, not 50,000 ton battleships!<br />I've not played TW - I have Stargrunt II, which I prefer.<br />But 15mm is most definitely the way to go, and GZG proffer superb service!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-88116726930309070392016-07-26T11:07:32.726-07:002016-07-26T11:07:32.726-07:00I decided to forgo Tomorrow's War due to price...I decided to forgo Tomorrow's War due to price. Gruntz seems to fit the need for uncomplicated but fun rules at an affordable price. I had a few rules questions I wanted answered so I hope I can find an active forum somewhere.Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975417222963323866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-8678279717454750712016-07-24T22:35:29.827-07:002016-07-24T22:35:29.827-07:00If you are familiar with Warmachine, Gruntz would ...If you are familiar with Warmachine, Gruntz would be a good starting point.<br /><br />Tomorrow's War belongs to a different school of mechanics, as a Dirtside/Stargrunt descendent (both also free, but a bit dated in layout etc). Well worth a look to have a well rounded "education" :-)<br /><br />Welcome to the world of war-game collecting. I think I did a few "favourite rules" lists (index, right side of this blog?) which may help you choose (aka mention more rules you NEED to buy....)<br /><br />*New rules are a need, not a want. evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-83502583223368925992016-07-24T05:52:44.033-07:002016-07-24T05:52:44.033-07:00100% agree. Thing is, I want to love THW's ru...100% agree. Thing is, I want to love THW's rules. Ed is a very nice guy, and thus far has given me loads of great customer support, very responsive to questions and I believe he has a true passion for his work. That said, a bit of complicated rules mixed with my style of overthinking stuff when I read rules (and I read a lot of them, I'm a ruleset collector too), it just because something I couldn't get into. I've tried twice now, and perhaps I'll give it another shot sometime, but I don't like that I had to take my own notes from the rulebook and collect all answers to questions I've seen in the forums and try to piece together some of the mechanics.<br /><br />P.S. I found this blog looking for FUBAR AAR's and your review subsequently almost compelled me to purchase Gruntz. Being a Warmachine guy, this was no-brainer for my first foray into 15mm.<br /><br />I do need to check out Tomorrow's War now too. I've got ruleset ADHD.Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975417222963323866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-75301174520965761442016-07-24T01:18:54.214-07:002016-07-24T01:18:54.214-07:00"I feel like I need to play a game with someo..."I feel like I need to play a game with someone who knows how in order to get it."<br /><br />....That's not a sign of clear, well laid out rules writing.evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-43286894201224083282016-07-23T11:32:25.917-07:002016-07-23T11:32:25.917-07:00That's the one I was using. I was also talking...That's the one I was using. I was also talking with Ed Teixera about it as well. I feel like I need to play a game with someone who knows how in order to get it. I did purchase their racing game though. Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975417222963323866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-47372637225004139292016-07-23T04:21:38.178-07:002016-07-23T04:21:38.178-07:00You can play anything solo if you want. I don'...You can play anything solo if you want. I don't recall anything that makes Gruntz especially suited to it, compared to other games.<br /><br />"Tried THW stuff but always seemed too complicated to figure out. I just can't seem to grasp the rules."<br /><br />That's because they are poorly and confusingly written. (Though they have improved of late)<br /><br />Free CR3.0 are worth a look for ideas though.<br />evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-74103543111505274252016-07-23T03:45:43.574-07:002016-07-23T03:45:43.574-07:00From what I see on videos it looks well suited to ...From what I see on videos it looks well suited to solo play. The author claims to play it that way often. <br /><br />Tried THW stuff but always seemed too complicated to figure out. I just can't seem to grasp the rules. Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975417222963323866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-17070379992688810582016-07-23T01:19:35.148-07:002016-07-23T01:19:35.148-07:00I haven't played it for ages and as it's u...I haven't played it for ages and as it's updated quite often my opinion may be out of date; no better than any other.<br /><br />Games that lend themselves well to solo play are ones with reaction mechanics with reaction mechanics or ones that force logical play (Tomorrow's War, for example,would be easier for me to play both sides, as it tends to force a certain style of play).<br /><br />Or you do something like could borrow a Two Hour Wargame reaction mechanic (have a look at the free Chain Reaction 3.0 rules on their site) and graft it onto an existing rules system.evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-13281633839131356092016-07-20T14:10:08.796-07:002016-07-20T14:10:08.796-07:00How well does this game adapt to playing solo?How well does this game adapt to playing solo?Travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975417222963323866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-78006368833343942542015-01-22T15:14:53.611-08:002015-01-22T15:14:53.611-08:00they have a skirmish 3 to 10 models version now
ht...they have a skirmish 3 to 10 models version now<br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2fxm4btDIv1MHBPVm4tNUVGOFk/view<br /><br />Jthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05926697264806086812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-40572127864786234552015-01-04T07:41:38.637-08:002015-01-04T07:41:38.637-08:00Mission Accomplished!Mission Accomplished!Paul O'Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611720164170399684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-89228908442117702672015-01-03T14:25:00.920-08:002015-01-03T14:25:00.920-08:00Pleased to hear it! The blog started as I used t...Pleased to hear it! The blog started as I used to belong to a few forums and I used to do long posts explaining various rules to friends, to help them avoid "lemons" (I'm an avid rulebook collector so I'd waste my $$$ anyway...) - the blog was just to save myself repeating the same thing over and over....evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-81117473192370868452015-01-03T10:00:21.334-08:002015-01-03T10:00:21.334-08:00Thought i would leave a comment to show the longev...Thought i would leave a comment to show the longevity and utility of your posts.<br /><br />I just listened to the latest Meeples and Miniatures podcast (episode 137) in which they interview the author of these rules, Robin Fitton. After listening to that, I checked to see if you had reviewed them and 10 minutes later had then d/l from Wargames Vault.<br /><br />BTW the author has now released a set of print on demand cards for random activation, which also incorporate random events and temporary effects. Sounds like that would be a neat addition to the game.<br /><br />There is also now a free online unit builder for the game, which is neat<br />http://www.gruntomatic.com/<br />Paul O'Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611720164170399684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-8826457733549261602013-01-26T17:16:22.598-08:002013-01-26T17:16:22.598-08:00Vehicles fit well into the game (as opposed to som...Vehicles fit well into the game (as opposed to some rules where vehicles are kinda bolted on)so Hammers Slammers wouldn't be a problem...<br /><br />Tomorrow's War on the other hand, seems better focussed on "hard" sci fi so it might also be worth a look. evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-10268430287190243702013-01-26T15:39:40.433-08:002013-01-26T15:39:40.433-08:00Never played warmachine but I am looking for somet...Never played warmachine but I am looking for something to play 15mm Hammers Slammers style actions. This might be a bit less tankcentric than Crucible...<br />Austronaughthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02065179801870654774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-86734628596088298832013-01-26T05:03:45.684-08:002013-01-26T05:03:45.684-08:00Aye, fair enough.Aye, fair enough.Vladdd309https://www.blogger.com/profile/00638331803401829636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-13620881875789065572013-01-26T03:44:18.074-08:002013-01-26T03:44:18.074-08:00Well worth picking up. 15mm sci fi is full of grea...Well worth picking up. 15mm sci fi is full of great manufacturers and the rules are pretty good, as well. Cost, storage... and the quality of sculpts in some cases equals 28mmevilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-11143056870597985112013-01-26T03:38:32.921-08:002013-01-26T03:38:32.921-08:00The lack of warcaster/feats make it play very diff...The lack of warcaster/feats make it play very differently, but its as closely related to WM as the GW "Legends of the Old West/High Seas" are to LOTR:SBG. evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-51980416972994105512013-01-26T00:47:08.432-08:002013-01-26T00:47:08.432-08:00Good review. Thank you for that! I've been thi...Good review. Thank you for that! I've been thinking about picking up grunts.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12728450135657424715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-43422862265314982092013-01-25T22:26:30.091-08:002013-01-25T22:26:30.091-08:00Nice review. Not sure I'm 100% with you on the...Nice review. Not sure I'm 100% with you on the warmachine crossover though. Excellent ruleset and the unit builder lets you create any kind of army you want, unlike many other "open" games.Vladdd309https://www.blogger.com/profile/00638331803401829636noreply@blogger.com