tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post7729626082512463341..comments2024-03-24T00:19:48.310-07:00Comments on Delta Vector: Naked Miniatures - Should they be Allowed out in Public?evilleMonkeighhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-76719110048613556102014-07-27T14:32:16.358-07:002014-07-27T14:32:16.358-07:00Perhaps its' for ID purposes. Perhaps its simp...Perhaps its' for ID purposes. Perhaps its simply easier to paint and there are less "specialist" painting skills needed than compared to 28mm+. <br /><br />I'd also suggest it is simply because it is somehow regarded as "acceptable" in 40K and Warmachine etc to have unpainted metal miniatures. Unpainted historical miniatures seem rather rare.<br /><br />I also wonder if it is the impossibly high benchmark companies like PP and GW set with their glossy ads - people simply don't even try as they know they can never measure up to the "pro" paintjobs. If they showed demonstration games with more "normal" paint jobs (such as those shown in the de Agnostini LoTR magazines - I think I did an article on them lately) - people might be more encouraged to "have a go."<br /><br />Painting skill and enthusiasm varies. But to not even bother to paint models seems to show disregard for those who HAVE attempted to paint their armies.<br /><br />At the root of it all, I'd probably suggest it is the reason I have mountains of unpainted armies sitting in boxes. Laziness, time management and an impulse to buy new shiny things! evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-80203312806583165572014-07-18T08:33:56.764-07:002014-07-18T08:33:56.764-07:00I wouldn't dare play FoW unpainted, you ever t...I wouldn't dare play FoW unpainted, you ever tried putting 2 silver platoons side by side and then launching an assault? :D You need to tell things apart and at 15mm, bare metal won't do the trick.Tinfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057911907520135654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-90021137545006398502012-11-28T12:35:36.407-08:002012-11-28T12:35:36.407-08:00Allow me to summarise the paragraphs:
*I'm se...Allow me to summarise the paragraphs:<br /><br />*I'm seeing a rise in the amount of armies that are majority bare metal<br />*painted terrain and minis are more attractive and are among the main things that separates wargames from boardgames<br />*examples of excuses given not to bother painting, or how non-painters make themselves out to be victims of paint nazis<br />*are "fad" games with a "new best" unit partly responsible for this?<br />*smaller scales are unlikely to be displayed unpainted, for some reason<br />*this is not an attempt to impose a blanket rule<br />*the quality of the paintjob is less important than trying, criticism is never OK. (Which is why I'm not comparing paintjobs)<br />*people who don't paint their armies, are being disrespectful to those who bother. Why painstakingly paint expensive models for hours (to a skilled OR poor standard) when they are just going to face off against chunks of metal. <br /><br />The rather long reply, is because I'm not sure where you are coming from with the "gifted painters" paragraph. Just a moment ago you took umbrage about my comment that ANY paint job was OK, as long as people made an effort. Now you claim I am supporting the gifted painters brigade? Or claiming to be one of them? Please reread last paragraph, where I say the exact opposite. Preferring undercoated minis to those of people who try but achieve only a blobby paint job was your comment, actually. <br /><br />That said, I didn't set the article out in a proper argument/persuasive format - it was more a series of observations - which probably isn't as coherent as it could be. <br /><br />Cheers, EevilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-60586619044936446062012-11-28T02:15:08.448-08:002012-11-28T02:15:08.448-08:00But the article isn't merely expressing an opi...But the article isn't merely expressing an opinion /preference it is attempting to garner support for the "banning" of non-painted figures in public.<br /><br />".. only to have others detract from their efforts."<br /><br />As painted figures & terrain look vastly superior to bits of plastic & cloth I'm not sure how that follows at all. When I'm at Wargaming shows and I see a beautiful setup table within eyeshot of plain/functional competition tables I don't say: "That's a shame, it could have been so much better in the right environment."<br /><br />"This oft-aired statement is an attempt by non-painters to assume the role of the "injured party"<br /><br />Likewise gifted painters not satisfied with being so talented, are somehow trying to make themselves out to be the victims of everyone else's inadequacies. Quite frankly, get over yourselves and be satisfied that not only are you yourself happy with your creations, but also countless others find pleasure, and even suffer jealousy, at what you have produced knowing they themselves are incapable of replicating or are unable to afford the services of someone like you.moocihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08565153512420382233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-30241569845075911532012-11-27T07:02:56.709-08:002012-11-27T07:02:56.709-08:00"I have never understood why so many "ga..."I have never understood why so many "gamers" feel the need to impose their will & preferences on others as to how they enjoy their hobby .."<br /><br />I hear this trotted out quite often, and should have included it in my examples. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. This oft-aired statement is an attempt by non-painters to assume the role of the "injured party"<br /><br />People expressing an opinion or having a preference for painted models aren't spoiling anyone's fun - they are the ones, after all, who have put in the work to improve the game, only to have others detract from their efforts.evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-24483145807399773682012-11-27T05:16:37.052-08:002012-11-27T05:16:37.052-08:00"A poorly painted blob always trumps bare met..."A poorly painted blob always trumps bare metal.": I totally disagree with you on this in particular. Poorly painted models are unpleasant to look at, undercoated / washed figures are not - they are just "plain".<br /><br />I also disagree with many of your other points, but hey its your Blog.<br /><br />I have never understood why so many "gamers" feel the need to impose their will & preferences on others as to how they enjoy their hobby ..<br />moocihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08565153512420382233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-25690256356457481452012-11-12T02:11:21.683-08:002012-11-12T02:11:21.683-08:00I primarily play with sci fi/fantasy gamers. I'...I primarily play with sci fi/fantasy gamers. I'd say 50% have "Games Workshop metallic" (TM) models. I walk over to watch a game, then wander quickly away...evilleMonkeighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11998198938697175335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8394074963215462822.post-14806416394680931632012-11-11T17:45:32.273-08:002012-11-11T17:45:32.273-08:00A clever, thoughtful treatment on a tricky subject...A clever, thoughtful treatment on a tricky subject-nicely done! The only unpainted armies I see are 28mm Warhammer ones. When both sides are unpainted, it looks pretty bad.<br /><br />Our historical club games 15mm in a popular gaming/comic shop. The upside is no matter how poorly I play, I get lots of compliments from people who have never seen miniature gaming before with my nicely painted armies. So yes, the visual aspect is very important. Montyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094254709103687259noreply@blogger.com