Saturday, 7 July 2012

Sci Fi Sub War Part II - Rules (Movement)

Subfighters' rocket engines give stunning acceleration and the ability to deform the vapor bubble the super-cavitating craft "fly" inside bestows surprising agility.  "Normal" or stealth speed is from 0-4" (40kts); supercav speeds are 5-20" (50 to 200+ knots)

Water Levels
Thermoclines (especially in the 100-20mm range) impact sonar detection making depth level important.

There are 6 water levels which can be tracked by a 5mm micro dice blu-tacked to the base of the mini. 1-Very Shallow  2-Shallow 3-Medium  4-Deep 5-Very Deep  6-Crush
Shallow is on or about the surface, whilst shallow is around 100m and each level adds about another 100m - i.e. crush depth is around 900m  

Supercav Movement
Supercav subs have 3 speed levels; they can change 1 level per move. Pilots declare the thrust they allocate before moving the sub.
*Normal (0-4")
*Half Boost (5"-half maximum speed)
*Full Boost (half to full maximum speed)

 Fighter Subs... always cool

Turns are executed at the midpoint and end of a turn.  

Changing Depth
Normal subs change depth by 1 level per turn for free.
Sub-fighters at supercav speeds can use their rocket engines to change multiple levels. Every 4" of movement allows a free level change.  A subfighter moving 16" could make a level change every 4" travelled.

"Drag Turn"
Sub-fighters can make more extreme maneuvers by dragging a small part of their hull outside the vapor bubble.  This is fraught with danger as a loss of control could see the ship tumble and fully "de-cav" - effectively similar to an aircraft hitting the water at 200 knots.  Drag turns allow an extra turn at the start of the move or a double turn at the middle or end portions.  Drag turns are declared after thrust has been allocated; and the subfighters' pilot must make a piloting test to succeed.

Failed Piloting Test
Minor Fail = "Whoa!" - pilot almost loses it and spends the rest of the turn trying to get the fighter under control. Cannot engage or evade targets; moves allocated thrust in a straight line.
Major Fail = "Splat!"  - subfighter tumbles out of control, hitting a "solid" wall of water at high speed

Zooms/Vertical Turns
Agile craft can steepen the angle to zoom or dive vertically; handy for making attacks or evading pursuers.  Here is the process:
(1) Pilot tests to perform a "drag turn" at the start of the move
(2) Pilot moves half his allocated thrust
(3) He may make a turn at the half-way mark like usual
(4) He may now be considered to be climbing/diving "vertically"
 He has 2 choices:
 (a) "Zoom" he continues to climb or dive the way he is facing and can spend the remainder of his movement or remain stationary. He must change as many levels as he has movement remaining. He can move any portion of his remaining movement forwards or even remain stationary.He may then make a turn at the end of the move like usual.
(b) "Immelmann/Vertical Turn" reverse direction by flipping the fighter upside down. He must change as many levels as he has movement remaining. The subfighter is then "flipped" 180d. He may then make a turn at the end of the move like usual.

Example A "Zoom": A subfighter uses 16" thrust to dive vertically on a target below.  He passes the "piloting" test and moves forward 8" (and can change 2 levels for free if he wants like usual). He turns 45d starboard to align better with the target. The subfighter is now vertical.  As the pilot has 8" of movement remaining he can make a further 2 level changes; but he can choose whether or not to actually move the sub on the table or simply declare it is vertical movement.  He may turn at the end of the move as usual

Example B "Immelmann/Vertical Turn": A subfighter uses 16" thrust and decides to climb and reverse its direction.  He passes the "Piloting" test and moves forward 8". Again, he could climb 2 levels for free during this stage.  The now the subfighter is vertical, but the pilot decides to flip it over. He must climb the remaining 2 levels vertically due to the 8" thrust. The fighter is then "flipped" 180d to face to the rear. He may turn at the end of the move as usual.*

(*This may be removed if overused.)

Thoughts: I'm thinking "agile" fighters will get a 45d turn and standard fighters a 30d turn; allowing course changes of 90d and 60d respectively over the course of a turn and preventing too much "fail chasing" where subs will simply move around on each others' tail when it is time to activate.

There are 3 "special moves" which allow radical changes in direction but they are dangerous - a failed "piloting test" would see them unable to fire, vulnerable and fighting to regain control or dead.

You don't need very big wings to fly in ground effect...

Ground Effect:  I intended this to be sub-surface only but I was thinking about zoom climbs - what would happen if a 200kt+ sub breached the surface at speed? 

If it had stubby wings a 100-knot+ subfighter would be capable of limited flight at low altitudes where it could be supported by "ground effect"

How it would re-enter the water is another question, but hey, this is sci fi!  The idea of rocket-powered subs bursting out of the water and chasing each other in dogfights 50m or so above the waves is certainly appealing....


  1. Hello,

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    Best regards,
    Marcin Gerkowicz
    Assault Publishing

  2. Can do. Definitely a fun topic!

  3. Brilliant concept wish I'd thought of it first ;)

  4. Problem is miniatures to play it. EM4 Silent Death ripoffs and some Studio Bergstrom 1" fighters are OK but everything else is too obviously from a sci fi universe...

    I am considering modifying things like 1:600 MiG29s by cutting off tailfins etc but they aren't submarine-ish enough

  5. 1:600? That would be tiny. But then I guess most naval models in the 1:600 scale so it does mean that you could use them in the game or as scenery. At that size you can make your own fighter-subs with some platicard and plastic rod.

    My big concern is how you deal with the 3rd dimension. Are 6 depth levels enough? Perhaps this could be left open so that you could play a scenario in shallows (only 1 or 2 depth levels), or go for deep water (6-8 or more depth levels).

  6. Have you ever seen a 1:600 modern jet? They aren't much smaller than the EM4 minis in the other post.

    This is sci fi and I'm not sure I would bother with surface vessels as it just adds complication to the rules. We already have merchant subs and carrier subs to fulfil many traditional 'surface' roles in the game and I want tactics and gameplay to be totally different - sort of hide and seek meets battle of britain.

    How many depth levels do you need? It's variable as we aren't working to a strict ground or time scale.

    Speaking as someone who plays aerial games (with said 1:600 jets) recording altitude is a pain in the nadgers. If I can't simply stick a tiny unobstrusive dice on the base - well, if you want to go writing down levels feel free, but I dislike lots of counters and dice cluttering up my model.

  7. I was thinking that you could easily use a 1:600 ship model as a sunken wreck, or buy 1:600 sub model as a mothership or objective or something.

    As for depth levels, I understand the use of the micro-d6 and think that it works well, but equally a micro-d8 or d10 could be used for deeper water. This would give the additional tactical element that depth can be used to restrict to expand the game space. Also at faster movement rates you can ascend or descend very swiftly.

    Speaking as some one who plays space combat games, I agree that the 3rd dimension movement is always a pain in the ass. And yes counters and clutter are not good. This is one of the things Areonautica Imperialis did reasonably well, by having speed and altitude number wheels built into the base. Wings of War attempted to mark altitude by an extendable flight stand.

  8. There are some great 1:700 models for use as motherships. The WW2 French sub Surcouf with its enormous gun turrets would be interesting and looks sci fi ish, as does many modern Russian subs which look a tad unconventional. You can even use weird aircraft like the Horten Ho229 for a underwater flying wing.

    I've never found d8 or d10 in 5mm - if you find them please post a link as I'd switch to them in a flash

  9. You could use two d6s, but I appreciate that simplicity is better. If I find micro dX I'll let you know.

  10. I like having lots of levels but once I have to write down orders, speed or altitude level - I'm outta there. Book-keeping = not fun.

    The micro d6 works well for Bag the Hun (a WW2 air game) where it seems to offer enough levels.