My son has been playing Blood Bowl 2 on PC. I blame him for the peer pressure for these purchases.
While spectating him, I pointed out he needed to make all your non-risky/non dice moves first then go for blitzes or passes and that his cage was flaky. I then had to explain the cage then unwisely mentioned there was a tabletop version I played heaps as a kid (I had my own 6-team solo league using models I cut from ice cream lids - yes I was a poor kid).
....A visit to the hobby shop later, and he has sand skellies and I have norse. I'm not au fait with current rules but looking at the team sheets I reckon the norse have more useful toys to win with. We both went with "what looked cool." Though he claims it was the ball-cats that decided him. At least neither of us got dwarves. They were never fun to play with or against. I think the pdf I have is the second-to-last rules version.
....Not a huge fan of the 7+ piece models that build exactly the same linesman. Unlike say Necromunda where you at least get lots of variety in exchange for hours of farting around. It is nice to have pieces which fit neatly though. (Glares at Wargames Foundry yari on workbench).
Bloodbowl was, alongside Battlefleet Gothic, the GW game I played most as a kid. I think it aligned in time to 40K's 2nd edition. In terms of other 'official' games, I had Battletech and Starfleet Batttles but I spent more time photocopying record sheets than playing either.... I think this is where I acquired my hatred of recording hitpoints...
Last year I bought some 3D printed Battlefleet Gothic minis off eBay - there's plenty of available/free STLs and they do lend themselves well to 3D printing, but I kinda found them a bit draining and fiddly to to paint. Also got that kinda decision paralysis when I (a) couldn't work out which weapon loadout for my cruisers (b) was too lazy to try to solve this by irksome job of drilling/magnetizing them. They currently sit in my 'procrastination pile.'
I've also had a mind to revive Mordhiem as the kids and I have played a lot of Vermintide 2 on PC together and atmosphere inspired me. I even printed out the rules and bought some secondhand Skaven off eBay; as well as some Frostgrave cultists. Unfortunately I re-read the rules after these purchases; and decided I was less enthusiastic than I thought: so they are also on the procrastination pile.
Finally on the 'GW nostalgia' pile of shame: I bought an Imperialis Aeronautica box as well. I could never afford that as a teen as well, but as soon as I indulged those GW swine "Squatted" my Tau before I even got to paint them so I kinda lost enthusiasm - I'm not paying a squillion on eBay to expand my now OOP faction. I feel I'm not at fault for this one.
My nostalgia-fueled purchases have not had a good strike rate so far, so we'll see how Bloodbowl goes.
A possible pending distraction is my homebrew post-apoc 1930s pirate tank rules - my son and I like to vroom around with our 15mm tanks. My new MDF - the 3rd terrain collection since the start of the year - has revived this one. Current barrier is: I need some 15mm zombies and civilians/scavengers that I can afford. Some US manufacturers make them, but they are usually $50 for the minis and $50 P&P....In other news, I have been distracted by making a homebrew Infinity-lite, using d12s, which are my new favourite dice size. D20s feel too swingy, and d12s have the advantage for being able to translate easily from d6s (modifiers etc are just doubled) if you want to use other existing games as a baseline, as well as converting from Infinity's +3/-3 modifers (15%) to a +2/-2 (16%) quite neatly. They also have lots of room "on the dice" so you can have very different stat lines and variation for different models without being confined to 3+, 4+, or 5+.
I downloaded Infinity N5 with the intent of playing it with my kids, but while there seems to be attempts to make it more accessible since N3 (my last foray); it is at best a learning wall rather than a learning cliff.
Zone Raiders should have 'the one', but it's curiously specific in terms of minis and weapons; and doesn't really have opposed roll/duel reactions which my kids would enjoy. (They like the opposed fight rolls of ME:SBG). I could have created my own weapons and stats, but that was a less fun exercise.
My aim is to vastly simplify the rules and mechanics, and change a few things that annoy me. I'm cutting the modifiers to 2 or 3 each for shooting/melee, and range bands to just three - "effective" "long" and "CQB" which groups by class; rifle, SMG, pistol etc - not individual sub-types having unique range bands. Having 10 different ammo types is also a no-no. The 100+ skills are being condensed to 20 or so and aligned with Necromunda so my daughters' Escher minis will work.
The vaunted Infinity activation is just IGOUGO disguised mostly by the lethality of reactions, and I'm not a fan of cheerleading or the convoluted fireteam rules. So they'll get tweaked.
The aim? An 'Infinity-a-like' my kids can play, and I can use any common sci fi miniatures. If I don't get distracted I'll run a playtest soon and post it up the battle report....
2026 Goal Check:
1. Terrain.
Create 3 more terrain sets, but must be storable in A4 IKEA boxes. Already done!
2. Minis
c) Buy minis for one new system, project or rule set but only after equivalent minis painted
I'm usually pretty good at this...
3. Rules
a) Design and play-test one new home-brew system. I'd like to do a battle report.
d) Print out an existing old-school OOP rulebook or free indie set. Quite a few. Yet to review any in blog.
4. Blog
Two posts per month. So far.
5. Paint
a) Continue to follow my rule: Paint equal or
more existing minis before I get new purchases i.e. if I paint 101
minis, I can buy 100 new minis. 24/100 minimum goal. On track.
6. Budget
On track. $65 spent so far (Bloodbowl team); +$20 binding various PDFs
7. Downsize/Storage
Get rid of 4+ A4 IKEA boxes of
rules, minis, old terrain etc.
Already done, but I'm eyeing off some rules boxes. Maybe I'll do a post "why these are getting the chuck?" My son has made some cool setups as he has 'acquisitioned' some old cardboard terrain on its way to the bin....
WRT Infinity, do they not have a simplified Quickstart starter ruleset that you could simply play OOTB, while ignoring all of the stuff that makes the game a chore for casuals?
ReplyDeleteNever got into BB, but I like the idea if it's designed around Sevens: 7 figures per side, 7 turn games. Get rid of the dupes and chaff.
BFG is great under base rules, but no need to agonize. Just build according to stereotype: Imperial torpedo barrages, Chaos brawlers with fighters & bombers, Eldar and Ork raiders. Sure, you can spice it up with an Imperial carrier, Eldar cruiser / Ork kroozer, but the standardization makes it a lot easier. Leave a couple Imp/Chaos cruisers unbuilt until you've played enough to figure out what you need to finish things off.
Mordheim rulebook forces are very well balanced over the course of a league campaign, but yeah, models are a problem. GW's fantasy skirmish games are a fair modern alternative, and so much more accessible.
- GG
Blood Bowl is a ton of fun, but I would recommend playing with the old CRP rules from the days when it was abandoned by GW.
ReplyDeleteOur league got on the official rules train with the 2016 edition, only to fall victim to the GW rules treadmill. Now we're split into the people who want to buy endless books and those of us who want to go back to CRP and stop spending money.
My original plan was the old Living Rulebook but I had this shinier pdf on my hard drive already. I think it's the 2020 one.
Delete7 a side should keep the time manageable (1hr ish) and streamlines things...
-eM
Current Blood Bowl(2025) rules are very similar to the 2020 rules.
ReplyDeleteThey tweaked the rosters and skills so that the team boxes are closer to the starting roster for a team, they made passing a bit more reliable, added some rules to try to get rid of stalling, nothing that should be neede to make the game fun amongst family though.
7s is a good format that plays a lot faster
https://www.scribd.com/document/511306254/Blood-Bowl-7s-Document
For whatever it may be worth, BFG and company were released just after 40K 3rd edition launched. :D
ReplyDeleteFor what it's worth - BFG was in 1999. That's 27 years ago. Damn!
DeleteI feel old.
-eM
I like Blood Bowl and my Skumgrod and I used to play it a lot. However, the video game just makes it so much faster and the computer does most of the heavy lifting for calculating mods. The video game is just a better experience IMHO.
ReplyDeleteEric Farrington
This is the case for most complex things, and the reason why computers were invented and became popular. As a game designer, be cognizant of when we should defer to a computer, and how to be human-friendly.
DeleteMonopoly is an amusing example of a game that is exceptionally accessible to play, but guarantees only one person enjoys the win. Risk is the other, to a lesser extent.
- GG
"The video game is just a better experience IMHO. "
DeleteThis is how I feel about Battletech. I've played 1000s of hours of the videogames since the ... 90s? and only half a dozen of the actual TT game.
Wish they'd remake a top down real time a la Mech Commander, with more toys...
-eM
On the subject of 15mm civilians have you looked at the PeterPig range? (https://www.peterpig.co.uk/) They've got one or two packs of matching civilians in most of their ranges.
ReplyDeletehttp://micksmetalmodels.com/ stocks them for $10 a pack (normally 8 infantry) here in Oz. He doesn't have a proper web store properly so you have to send him an email to find out what he has in stock, but I put an order in last month and postage was cheap and fast.
Thanks Tim!
DeleteAppreciate the heads-up. I was considering some Eureka partizans - a bit Soviet but good for 'rabble.'
Knowing PP is an option is very useful - I think I had some of their 15mm moderns back in the day.
-eM
No worries.
DeleteBTW: Another thought I had was if you want armed "civilians" some of the Boer War ranges might be suitable. At 15mm no one is going to be able to tell the difference between a 1930 bolt-action rifle and a 1899 one.
Huh, I thought I already replied.
DeleteAnyhow, ordered a bunch of resistance/civilians to do as my 'survivors' and 'ragtag tank pirates' so you've helped this project along. (I'll probably FoW base them so there is other uses for them...)
-eM